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Episode 91 – Understanding The Reversal Of California’s Gay Marriage Ban; Google Threatens Net Neutrality

Supporting the reversal of California’s Gay Marriage Ban (Proposition 8) is actually the “conservative” thing to do, argues co-hosts Glenn Gaudet and Jeff Kimball. Marriage is about two individuals who love each other, and the government’s involvement should only be to acknowledge that from a legal and tax perspective. They explain how the politics of this ruling will play out at a federal and state level, and how President’ Obama’s position isn’t likely to win him votes from his Democratic base. If the Supreme Court decides to take this case (and those in favor of the reversal should hope they don’t), they caution listeners that this is not a slam dunk case, and that Kagan and Kennedy could very well be the swing votes. At around the 37 minute mark, Glenn explains why Net Neutrality is threatened by a potential Google-Verizon alliance. At the 48 minute mark, they close the show by talking about some Congressional races, including Sharon Angle, and races in Illinois, California and Pennsylvania.

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Episode 17 – Survival of the Weakest


Elected officials again show profiles in political weakness by buckling to pressure to bailout the big 3 auto manufacturers. As if the lessons of the financial bailout weren’t disastrous enough (fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me…). As if caught in a web of bizarre reverse Darwinism, only the weak shall survive. If you’re strong enough to run your business well, you only have to worry about banks freezing credit, the economy crippling your business and making ends meet. But if you fail spectacularly, I mean really, really badly, well, then you are rewarded. John Thain, CEO of Merrill Lynch, is reportedly seeking at $10 million bonus this year.

The car makers, who have essentially run their dinosaur-of-a-business into the ground, are now seeking $35 billion in federal money to prop them up.  AIG… well, we know the story there. So the lesson to all you kids out there: don’t work too hard, take your private jets whenever possible, seek out-of-this-world compensation for something you really haven’t done, and if you fail, don’t worry, the federal government will be there to bail you out. But if you’re one of those who live lives of quiet desperation, who live a decent, unremarkable life, but maybe you’re on the brink of financial disaster — you get screwed. Welcome to the new world economy. We’re mad as hell, in a funny, intellectually, riotous, quirky, lovable kind of way. You’ll laugh, you’ll cry, you’ll ask for more. Catch the latest episode of PoliTalk: where politics and policy meet real people.

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Jack Black as Jesus or Why Ballot Initiatives Should Not Remove Rights

Jack Black

Political speech at it’s funniest… This video is great, but it is a sad statement that this was even produced. For those of us not in California, here is what the proposed law stated on Proposition 8.

This initiative measure is submitted to the people in accordance with the provisions of Article II, Section 8, of the California Constitution.

This initiative measure expressly amends the California Constitution by adding a section thereto; therefore, new provisions proposed to be added are  printed in italic type to indicate that they are new.

SECTION 1. Title
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the “California Marriage Protection Act.”

SECTION 2. Section 7.5 is added to Article I of the California Constitution, to read:
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.

Now review the stated arguments for the amendment that were listed

YES on Proposition 8 does three simple things:

  1. It restores the definition of marriage to what the vast majority of California voters already approved and human history has understood marriage to be.
  2. It overturns the outrageous decision of four activist Supreme Court judges who ignored the will of the people.
  3. It protects our children from being taught in public schools that “same-sex marriage” is the same as traditional marriage.

The opponents of Proposition 8 focused on the wrong thing. They needed to focus on what I believe to be the big FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) factor for people which is point number 3 above. Nowhere in the law does it state that anything different will be taught in the schools. However, the proponents of Prop 8 took advantage of a natural distrust of the government and what is being taught in the schools. Did this amendment have anything to do with what is taught in the schools? No, plus, school curriculum is decided at the local level.

Regardless of why Proposition 8 or any of the similar proposition around the country have passed, the fact remains that the ballot initiative process should not be used in this manner.

As I discussed in our podcast, ballot initiatives should never be used to take away rights.

The poem “First They Came…” attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller says it best:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

For me, I don’t buy into the government being in the marriage business at all. Let the churches do marriage and let the government do civil unions. However, the government is now pregnant with marriage.